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Sandy and the Liverpool Dude

The next is the transcript for this podcast episode.:

Jodi:  Welcome Sandy! It’s fabulous to have you ever as my visitor this episode. Thanks a lot for approaching the present.

Sandy: Oh, I’m so excited to be right here Jodi! Thanks for having me.

Jodi: That is going to be terrific. We’re going to get right into a date that you just went on and speak all about it, however not but. I first need to ask that you just share some issues about your self with our listeners, in order that they get a way of you.

Sandy:  Certain. So, my title is Sandy Wiener. I’m 65 years outdated, reside in Stamford, Connecticut, and I’ve three kids. My oldest is in her thirties and lives in Israel and has three stunning kids. My center is a boy and he’s residing in Stamford, truly transferring to a city close by. And my youngest resides in LA.

All three children are actually inventive. They’re artists and musicians and bakers and vogue designers and all types of cool stuff, which they get from their dad and mom. So I used to be an artist my complete life till I turned a life coach proper after my divorce. And I’ll get into that in a minute. And my ex-husband is a comic, an expert comic, and we labored collectively more often than not we have been married. I used to be one of many head writers for present we did for Nickelodeon for kids and, did a number of cool issues. I edited movie and directed him and discovered I had abilities I by no means knew I had.

However my marriage was not a great marriage. I stayed a very long time, trigger I’m not a quitter. I prefer to try to make issues work. And now I do know that some issues are simply….you’re working too laborious at one thing that’s not going to ever work. And so I lastly got here to that conclusion after 23 12 months. I divorced my husband and I noticed that a number of who I had been had been form of diminished. I misplaced a number of myself within the marriage and I used to be attempting to reclaim these elements after my divorce.

And so I used to be pondering like, what do I need to do? The artwork that I had performed. I painted furnishings. I did an entire bunch of issues for folks, however I by no means actually felt totally valued for the work that I put in as a result of artwork could be very labor intensive, and lots of people would nickel and dime me and I simply didn’t really feel valued. And so I assumed, you already know, again in twelfth grade in my yearbook, it says, “Sandy is the go-to particular person for any time you have got an issue. She is going to allow you to.” And in order that was who I used to be.

After which I made a decision to go to change into a life coach. I didn’t know what that was. A buddy of mine stated, “Hey, why don’t you look into this?” And it was good for me as a result of it’s very goal-oriented, which I’m. There…It’s sensible, nevertheless it’s additionally deep and it’s additionally inventive. And I even introduced creativity and artwork into my observe doing workshops at first. And I typically carry them again once I do retreats. So I turned a relationship coach after my first two years of teaching as a result of…I used to be teaching, my pals who have been relationship and making a large number of it and I keep in mind one buddy who I used to take walks with on daily basis. She, she was relationship this actually poisonous man who was telling her that he’s by no means obtainable for a relationship. And he or she stated, “What do you assume he meant by that?” (Laughter)

Jodi: I believe he simply advised you what he meant by that. (Laughter)

Sandy: Nevertheless it’s superb how many individuals don’t see what’s proper in entrance of them. And I used to be serving to her along with her profile. I used to be writing profiles and serving to her along with her photographs and, you already know, doing all the web relationship stuff along with her. And I had no concept what I used to be doing, however I, I used to be good at it and I stated, “Okay, this, it is a actually enjoyable factor to do.” And I segued my teaching into relationship and relationship. And I’ve been doing that for nearly 14 years.

After I take into consideration three years in the past, I noticed the half that I really like most about my work helps girls discover their worth. I used to be discovering that the half about like educating girls, find out how to flirt or, I don’t know, you already know, simply form of the nitty gritty of what lots of people educate in relationship, was not as fascinating to me because the deeper work.

And so I began a brand new enterprise. It’s known as “The Girl of Worth.” I’ve a Girl of Worth Membership, which is a membership program the place girls come each month and find out about relationship, relationships, abilities, all of the issues which can be necessary to be a greater human, actually, and to narrate higher to different folks.

And I additionally authored a e-book a 12 months in the past, a few 12 months in the past, in the course of the pandemic, it’s known as Changing into a Girl of Worth: Tips on how to Thrive in Life and Love. Simply having the ability to see folks remodel and personal their worth as I’ve after my divorce is essentially the most gratifying factor.

Jodi: At the start, congratulations on launching your kids so efficiently into their lives! That could be a super accomplishment. And you’ve got been on fairly a private odyssey these years.

It’s so fascinating that it’s led you so far and that you just reference again to your yearbook from highschool as, as a catalyst that can assist you transfer ahead. I really like that. Uh, and that you’ve got gotten to this place the place you have got actually discovered that grounding oneself of their worth is of the utmost significance in being profitable in life.

Sandy: Nicely, thanks for acknowledging that launching kids is an accomplishment as a result of I actually assume that each, each relationship is necessary in our lives. , whether or not it’s our work relationships, our kids, if we now have them, our important others, our household, all of them actually are what makes up our lives and the way we present up in a single is often how we present up in all of them.

And parenting for me was a possibility to form of change the legacy of how I used to be raised, which was. Emotions and desires. What are these? I don’t know….which isn’t to place my dad and mom down. However most dad and mom simply had no concept find out how to honor or speak about emotions. It was extra about like “Simply recover from it. Don’t take into consideration that.” And a number of fixing and a number of yelling and thoughts studying and all of the issues that I needed to vary in my parenting and in addition in my teaching observe. As a result of we simply don’t have the abilities to speak successfully, to know find out how to set boundaries across the issues that actually matter to us.

And so I…my children have stated to me, it’s fairly superb that you just got here out the best way you probably did from your loved ones and that you just have been in a position to form of stand up and that’s what I would like for them. And it’s what I would like for everyone.

Jodi: I hear you. I believe that “the Best Era” wasn’t actually inspired to be as expressive and to place issues on the market that have been of their minds. You have been simply to forge ahead and preserve it to your self and be robust and transfer ahead. A survivalist mentality, maybe. I’m not attempting to psychoanalyze your loved ones, however I believe that there’s what you spoken about is one thing that lots of people have skilled of a sure age with their grandparents or dad and mom.

Sandy: Yeah. Yeah. I imply, you set it so properly.

Jodi: However we’re in a special time now.

Sandy: Yeah, we’re. And you already know, I nonetheless made errors. I used to be attempting to determine it out, however one of the pivotal issues I believe for me was studying a e-book known as Tips on how to Discuss So Children Will Hear and Tips on how to Hear So Children Will Discuss, as a result of I by no means realized you must truly take heed to your children that they need to simply respect you since you’re the mother. And the second that I began to actually empathize, and it was actually the start of empathy for me.

I didn’t know something about empathy. To vary my relationship with my kids, they felt heard, I felt revered. They felt revered. And years later, once I was a relationship coach, I created a course known as “Tips on how to Discuss to Males So Males Will Hear and Tips on how to Hear So Males Will Discuss.” So it was primarily based on that e-book, nevertheless it was like, we don’t know find out how to speak to one another.

Jodi: Proper, proper. Nicely, empathy is a cornerstone of any relationship, isn’t it?

Sandy:  It positive is. And we’re so unhealthy at it. Like we predict we now have to return in and repair and, and diminish anyone’s emotions in order that they’ll simply transfer on and recover from it. I keep in mind my very first retreat that I had. One among my members needed to depart early as a result of anyone she was so near was put into hospice care. She was devastated. And so she flew again to LA from Connecticut to be along with her household.

And all I used to be watching as the opposite girls within the retreat, have been attempting to offer her empathy and one in all them stated, um, “Oh, you’re going to be okay” or “Don’t fear about it.” Some have been crying greater than she was in order that she was then taking good care of them.

And I watched the entire thing as a result of I’ve been in conditions the place folks didn’t know what to say. And I assumed it was an awesome alternative, despite the fact that it was for relationship and other people have been trying to go on their final first date, I stated, “It is a actually necessary talent and let’s speak about empathy and the way will we give empathy?” And I stated, “I do know you have been all attempting to do your finest, however let’s speak about how we are able to do higher.”

And it was an awesome within the second lesson on find out how to actually sit with anyone, find out how to actually simply maintain them the place they’re and never attempt to take it away or make it even worse. However we don’t have the abilities to do it, and I believe it’s simply necessary for us to study them.

Jodi: It’s not a typical factor to do, to step again from a second in time that you just’re experiencing and to evaluate it, particularly in a bunch format like that. However this introduced that chance for you and your retreat attendees, which I might presume was slightly highly effective for them after they mirrored again on, on their actions, and their  conduct to assist their fellow retreat participant transfer ahead.

Sandy: I hope so. I hope it stayed with them as a result of that was the intention was not, to not disgrace them as a result of they didn’t do a proper, however to actually begin to study the abilities that they should take these ahead into all their relationship.

Jodi: We have to study abilities once we are relationship as a result of relationship requires observe and it requires one to be on the market attempting various things, being weak, being engaged with, in dialog, with, and current with whoever it’s you’re on a date with in numerous methods. Would you agree?

Sandy:  Yeah, for positive. There’s so many abilities that we have to study, and it’s superb once you observe these how significantly better your relationships get and in addition simply how far more empowered you’re feeling once you’re relationship, such as you’re truly a alternative and also you get to take a look at anyone and resolve how they’d match into your life. Not simply, “I hope he picks me and oh my God, I’m so anxious on the date.”

, I used up to now like that and now, and, I’m nonetheless single. And I’m going to speak about my date in a second. Nevertheless it’s such a special expertise the place I are available in confidently, you already know, simply form of not filled with nerves, however to have a great time and to attach with a human being.

Jodi: I reached that time on my relationship journey as nicely. For me, it was a, I assume, a mixture of issues coming collectively at a sure time in life. One was age, simply being extra mature, being extra assured, having extra, a number of expertise relationship. (Laughter)

But in addition not requiring another person to validate me…attending to that time of, as you have been talking about in your fantastic e-book, Changing into a Girl of Worth, my very own worth in my very own self-worth, which each and every girl, each particular person ought to try to get to. And, it’s robust to remain there on a regular basis due to simply the challenges life will throw at you, however actually to attempt to be grounded in that place.

So that you’ve come on to speak about this date that you just went on and also you got here to this date after a great quantity of relationship expertise, proper?

Sandy: Oh yeah.

Jodi: And I’m excited to listen to the story. So why don’t we get into it?

Dating disappointment

Sandy: So, we’re going to name this man, “Liverpool Dude.”

Jodi: I really like that! Liverpool Dude. I will be accent is simply already in my head.

Sandy: Nicely, that’s what pulled me in as so many ladies who see that anyone from England or South Africa or Australia, and also you’re like, “Ooh, I simply need to hear what he appears like.” In order that was me.

He related on Bumble with me and he was cute. And he was additionally 15 years youthful, which was very flattering…that he stated instantly, “I’m drawn to your intelligence.” He appeared actually vibrant and he paid consideration to my profile. So he requested me questions. Like I’ve a two truths and a lie. My two truths and a lie the place I can stand on my head, I Drive a stick shift and I wrote a New York instances bestseller.

Jodi: That’s terrific! You may stand in your head?

Sandy: I can. (Laughter)

Jodi: They’re all spectacular, however the first one….it’s all spectacular, however wow! That’s outstanding! (Laughter)

Sandy: It’s simply one of many abilities. It’s like this factor I might do, like my entire life with out actually attempting, however, um, yeah. And driving a stick shift can be an awesome dialog starter as a result of I’ve at all times just about nearly at all times pushed a stick shift.

So this occurred a few month in the past in the course of the pandemic and he appeared actually cute and actually attentive. And we bought on a name fairly shortly. And naturally, as a result of I needed to listen to his Liverpool accent. He was a musician when he was youthful. There have been so many actually intriguing issues about him and you already know, instantly he stated, “I don’t care that you just’re 15 years older than I’m.” I like folks for who they’re, not how outdated they’re.

And I stated, “Yeah, me too. I date folks of all differing kinds and ages and distances. I don’t care.” After that first name, I believe we talked for like an hour and a half on the Bumble cellphone, so I hadn’t but exchanged my quantity. After which we exchanged cellphone numbers and my son was within the different room and he stated, “Mother, you spent an hour and a half on the cellphone on a primary name. You’re breaking your personal guidelines!” (Laughter)

Jodi: He’s conserving you sincere. (Laughter)

Sandy: He does. And often I don’t do it. It’s like, initially, I often don’t have rather a lot to say to anyone in an hour and a half on a primary name, however we had a lot to speak about. So I form of went with the circulate and he stated, “, let’s speak once more tomorrow.” And I didn’t hear from him the following day. However we had set a tentative date. So let’s say this was a Thursday night time. We had set a tentative day for that Sunday.

I used to be ready to listen to affirmation concerning the date and I didn’t hear from him. And I used to be like, “Wow! We had such nice dialog. I’m going to succeed in out to him.” And I don’t often try this both, however there was one thing about him that intrigued me.

So I used to be tempted to reem him out (Laughter)….show him who’s a lady of worth! And I truly talked to a buddy who’s additionally a coach and I stated, “Discuss me off the ledge. And the way do you’re feeling about me sending him a textual content? And what would that textual content say?” So we form of labored it out collectively and saved it very constructive; form of non-attached to the result. I simply thought, we had a great connection. I don’t know what occurred.

It was only a curious and form of playful textual content and it was one thing like, “I actually loved our dialog the opposite night time. I assumed we have been going to get collectively on Sunday after which crickets. And I’m simply questioning if all the pieces’s okay?”

And so he wrote again instantly and stated, “I’m so sorry. My daughter wanted me and I had to enter town.” Okay. So he goes, “Are you able to speak later tonight?” And we talked once more for a very long time. After which we actually made a date. So we have been going to satisfy the next Sunday and we arrange a time. After which we stated, we might examine in later within the week.

And he did examine in with me once more. I believe we spoke Thursday night time and he stated, “, I reside like two hours away, nevertheless it’s superb. I like driving. I’m in my automotive on a regular basis and I’m pondering that’s nice.” After which he requested me once more, “Are you positive you’re okay relationship anyone who’s 50?”

And I stated “In fact.” And he stated, “Nicely, you don’t look 65 and I believe you’re enticing. And I’m trying ahead to assembly you. I’ll name you once I’m on my approach.”

And so we had booked a restaurant. We have been going to satisfy for lunch. Sunday morning I didn’t hear from him. And I assumed, “Okay, he’ll name me proper as he’s getting in. And I’ll depart the home once I hear from him.”

About 20 minutes earlier than we have been supposed to satisfy, I made a decision to name him. And the cellphone went proper to voicemail and I assumed, “Okay, he might nonetheless be coming.” However I had a nasty feeling about it. I truly….that morning, one thing advised me in my intestine that this date will not be going to occur. And I used to be proper. He stood me up! He blocked my quantity! He disconnected from me on Bumble and I used to be, as they are saying in Liverpool, I used to be gob smacked!

Jodi: Wow!

Sandy: Yeah, this had by no means occurred to me earlier than. Um, so I sat there in my lounge and I used to be actually pleased with myself for not having gone to the restaurant as a result of lots of people simply try this they usually sit there they usually really feel actually embarrassed that they waited. And I do know you have got an awesome story in your e-book about that. However she made it into an awesome date ultimately with a girlfriend, along with her girlfriend, which I assumed was nice.

And look, you possibly can go to a restaurant and order your self a meal and make the perfect of it too. However I sat at residence for a couple of minutes and processed it after which I used to be like, “Okay, get your self out of the home. Go take a stroll. Go do one thing and simply get out of this head house.” Trigger I didn’t need to be wallowing in self-pity and anger and it was nice.

I took a stroll by the seaside. I breathed within the salty seaside air. I felt so significantly better and I stayed out for some time. After which I got here residence and you already know what? I, as a result of I had by no means met him, I used to be in a position to actually course of it fairly shortly. And I made a decision to share my story with my, my folks, my viewers. And I created a video as a result of a part of me was somewhat embarrassed that it occurred to me. After which I stated, “ what? I’m human and I need to share that I am going by way of what they undergo.”

And it was one in all my hottest movies. Folks actually appreciated that I used to be weak with them. And I shared some takeaways, which I believe are actually necessary. And I can share them in case you’d like.

Jodi: Sure, however earlier than you do and I completely need to delve into that, I simply need to say “Bravo!” Bravo, since you’ve performed one thing that isn’t comfy for most individuals, which is to return ahead and say “I used to be stood up.” And it takes rather a lot to do this and to place that ahead as a result of many individuals have been stood up, which is all unsuitable and is such a disgrace. However that often isn’t actually talked about.

And so that you’re placing it ahead to say, “Hey, this occurs. And never solely did it occur to me, however I’m going that can assist you” Now we’ll delve into that in order that we can assist listeners who’ve been the place you have been navigate by way of that have extra efficiently and get again to feeling like they’re a lady of worth. So, please share your recommendation.

Sandy: Okay! So that is for anyone who has been stood up…it hurts! It’s painful, however you are able to do one thing about it. And when you have got a plan of motion, it’s empowering. Similar to once I bought up, bought out of my home, it was empowering and it helped me to actually heal shortly.

So the very first thing I believe is actually necessary is to really feel what you’re feeling. We are likely to, and I do. Um, I have a tendency to love stuff, the feelings out don’t be offended. Don’t be upset. Don’t be something as a result of that’s how I used to be raised. As I stated earlier than, you already know, it’s simply, simply soldier on and soldiering on retains these emotions in. It’s a lot faster to undergo the emotions as a result of they arrive out the opposite facet they usually’re not going to stick with you. So take a couple of minutes and simply determine what feelings are developing for you. Anger, embarrassment, disappointment, no matter it’s, really feel it. After which let it go.

Jodi: Let it out, don’t let it fester as a result of it solely does, does injury to your psyche.

Sandy: Yeah. And perhaps that you must write it out. Possibly that you must name a buddy and speak it out. However nonetheless you course of, do it.

And the second factor that’s actually necessary is to not ruminate on “the why.” We are likely to give attention to why did folks do what they did to us. And we’ll in all probability by no means know why. Most of these items occur as a result of….nicely, he blocked me, so I’m not going to seek out out as a result of I’m not calling him. We will’t management folks’s actions, however what we are able to management is our response.

And we can also ask ourselves higher questions then why, which is, “Why would I need to date anyone who doesn’t respect me? Why would I need to date anyone who doesn’t have the decency to inform me the reality?”

So we ask ourselves these low worth questions, like, “Why didn’t he do it?” and “Why would he do it to me?” and “Why me?” These are questions that don’t assist us. They don’t actually have solutions. So once you get out of self-blame and also you go, hmm, why would I need to date somebody like that? That’s a recreation changer.

Jodi: One of many trickiest elements of relationship is to not take it personally, particularly this early, at this early onstage, as a result of it’s concerning the different particular person. It’s actually not about you. They don’t know you.

Sandy: No, they don’t know me and for no matter sick motive, they needed to have a number of conversations with me after which not present up. I began doubting each a part of the dialog. Like, was he even from Liverpool? (Laughter) I don’t know. And it was fairly laborious to pretend the accent for a few hours. I do consider that half.

So the following factor that’s necessary is to actually maintain your self. One of the best antidote to getting stood up or being rejected in any approach is to like your self extra; to observe self-care.

So I did that by going to the seaside and inhaling that scrumptious salty ocean air. I took a stroll. I sat on a bench. Simply do what makes you cheerful. Possibly need to meet a buddy for espresso or a stroll or journal. Like I stated earlier than, you may need to go get a manicure. So, you already know, simply form of do one thing that retains you feeling good about your self.

Jodi: Take time for self-care.

Sandy: Yeah.

Jodi: That’s what you’re suggesting. Completely. That’s so necessary.

Sandy: Yeah. I believe all through the relationship course of, we have to observe self-care for positive. And alongside the identical traces, constructive affirmations are at all times good. So perceive that one particular person’s actions don’t decide your self-worth.

You may say, or write issues down that allow you to consider that you’re worthy of affection that you just’re lovable, it doesn’t matter what occurs. And perhaps it’s one thing like, “my coronary heart remains to be open to like” or, “I’m making room for the appropriate particular person to return into my life.” And you already know, it’s like, it’s a part of the journey. You additionally congratulate your self for placing your coronary heart on the market.

I believe lots of people simply don’t date. And so in case you getting stood up, it implies that you’re taking a threat and also you’re getting on the market and also you’ve made a connection and that you just nonetheless do consider in love. So I believe that’s tremendous necessary is to simply form of pat your self on the again and say, “I’m on the market. I’m doing it. It’s a part of the journey.”

Jodi: It’s. And we at all times ought to acknowledge that we’re making an effort. We’re taking dangers as a result of we consider that we’re worthy of affection and that we now have love to offer that fortunate one that will get to obtain it if we meet that particular person at some point.

Sandy: Yeah, positively. And the very last thing that I need to share is that that is an expertise to study from. Once I work with a consumer, we debrief each date in order that it’s at all times a studying expertise. I’ve my dates have a look at three issues they appreciated about an individual. In the event that they’re truly on a date, two issues that have been yellow or purple flags, and three issues they thought they did very well on the date that they’re pleased with and two issues they could need to do in another way the following time. We’re at all times what labored, what are some indicators that we would’ve missed and what can we do higher. And so I believe it’s actually necessary to debrief what occurred.

I used to be ready to take a look at my interactions with Liverpool Dude and I noticed that his phrases and actions didn’t match from the start. He didn’t name when he stated he would. He didn’t observe up on that date like he stated he would. At one level, he stated…he had despatched me some music that he had recorded when he was youthful in Liverpool….and he texted that to me as soon as we had exchanged numbers.

I requested him a easy query, like, “What half did you play within the band?” It took him 4 days to reply! After which he made up an excuse and stated he misplaced his cellphone and “I’m so embarrassed and I’m such a correct twat that I didn’t name you.” So in fact saying correct twat makes it sound so cute. (Laughter)

Jodi: Sure. Particularly for us American girls!

Sandy:  Sure, that’s proper. So, you already know, it’s apologies and “Oh, God, I’m so sorry.” And so we now have to cease excusing the inexcusable. And I additionally spoke approach an excessive amount of on the cellphone earlier than assembly. I nearly by no means, ever, ever try this.

I had an expertise early on in relationship the place I talked to a man so many days in a row earlier than assembly that the assembly itself, that the date itself was horrific. We had like no connection. However I had constructed him into this superb particular person due to a cellphone connection.

So we have a tendency to do that. We’re so craving for connection and we lastly discover anyone who’s fascinating and appears and we wish it to work so badly that we overlook purple flags, yellow flags. And I used to be flattered. I used to be flattered {that a} youthful man needed up to now me and you already know, all these items that I simply discovered from, and I gained’t do them once more.

So in case you’re trying actually, at a number of the issues that you just may need missed and a few issues that you just may’ve excused, simply do it in another way subsequent time and observe by way of in your dedication to be true to your self and true to your values and to your requirements.

Jodi: These are priceless pearls of knowledge that you just garnered from this unlucky date of being stood up, that you’ve got simply shared with me and listeners. Thanks Sandy. Actually. Thanks for approaching the present to, to shine a lightweight on an incident, an expertise, that too many individuals have, and that actually isn’t talked about a lot in any form of open discussion board. So that is actually useful, I do know, for people who find themselves listening.

And what additionally shall be useful for our listeners is for them to get your e-book, Changing into a Girl of Worth: Tips on how to Thrive in Life and Love. I’ve learn it. I cherished it. It’s crammed with actionable recommendation and also you’ve bought these 30 steps in it primarily based on the three pillars you’ve already mentioned with us. And also you’ve bought fantastic tales woven into it. And actually, I used to be nodding my head as I learn it. It was simply, “sure, sure, sure” as I went by way of the e-book. So I actually advocate that listeners get it. Might you please share the place they’ll get your e-book and in addition how they’ll get in contact with you to observe up as probably a consumer?

Sandy: Certain. Nicely, thanks for that pretty overview of my e-book. It’s a labor of affection. You may discover my e-book on Amazon and you could find me at LastFirstDate.com. That’s the place you’ll discover all my teaching providers, my weblog, my podcast is there.

My podcast is named “Final First Date Radio,” and that’s wherever you take heed to podcasts, it’s all over the place. We’re in our ninth 12 months and nearly 500 episodes. Be certain to try my episode with Jodi, we had a unbelievable dialogue and I actually cherished our dialog.

Jodi: Me too! Thanks for having me in your present. It was nice.

Sandy: You’re welcome. It was unbelievable. So, yeah, that’s the place I’m. I’m additionally at TheWomanofValue.com. So in case you’re concerned with not relationship, however discovering your worth in different methods, I even have a podcast there and you could find it there and a weblog and an entire bunch of different issues.

I even have a Fb group that’s for single girls over 40. We do have girls in relationships and ladies who’re married, who began out single within the group, and bought married and are sharing their experiences.

It’s a unbelievable group. I’ve seven screens who preserve this group protected and sane, and we now have simply actually stunning discussions about find out how to develop in your journey to lasting love. And you could find that at “Your Final First Date” on Fb.

Jodi: You’ve created an extremely wealthy and significant and useful portfolio of providers and assets and experience for ladies to assist them obtain their worth and to seek out the companion they’re searching for. I’ll share all the data–all of the hyperlinks for a way folks can get in contact with you–within the present notes for this episode.

Thanks, Sandy, for this dialog and for all the worth you carry to the world.

Sandy: Ahh, thanks, Jodi. We’re so aligned in how we see the world and it’s at all times nice speaking to you.

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